I was reading _Hardboiled America: The Lurid Years of Paperbacks by Geoffrey O'Brien. A book published 1981 that recounts the story of the early days of the Ameican paperbacks back when some of the covers were far more racy and spicy that what showed up between them. (Overdone necromantic cheese-cake for Rex Stouts' _Case Of The Red Box?) But one of the things I found most interesting about his book was his, The Hardboiled Era: A Checklist, 1929-1958, that he had in the back of the book. I had never really thought of there being a `hardboiled era' but what he said made sence to me. That the hardboild novel was not a series of isolated literary works, but part of an ongoing cycle. Where each success had its effects on the books that came afterwards in that highly competitive and innovative time. He does not deal with short stories, but only with novels. And he has some interesting picks for books that are part of the `Hardboiled Era.' There are the ones that you know have to be there. Hammett's _Red Harvest 1929 is the first, along with among many others James M. Cain, David Goodis, Cornell Woolrich, the MacDonald and so forth. But he also put in some that surprised me more then a bit. Such as... Would you place in a listing of hardboiled novels such works as the ones below? Three of S.S. Van Dine's Philo Vance novels. Tobacco Road by Erskine Caldwell Sanctuary by William Faulkner Junkie by William Burroughs The Subterraneans by Jack Kerouac Case Of The Velvet Claw by Erle Stanley Gardner (first Perry Mason) and the first four James Bond's from Ian Fleming! Okey, I will give you the early Perry Mason's, and maybe a hardboiled Bond (just the books, not the later films!) But Philo Vance?!? Sure Van Dine was the best selling American mystery author at the time, and so might have had an effect on some. But he put him as a part of the hard ear? I thought that one of the ideas was that Hammett and Chandler and others were geting as far from that kind of stuff as you could get, so how does he rate being there? Anyway, what do you think of the idea of there being a `hardboiled era?' And do the above belong on it? - # RARA-AVIS: To unsubscribe, say "unsubscribe rara-avis" # to majordomo@icomm.ca