An opinion is an opinion. Nothing more. Including
yours.
Maybe you could document a little more for
yourself the subjects you are speaking of.
I rarely react to such out of point comments,
like yours in the hereunder message, but I think you must be
close to some people I encountered on public discussion
lists, having only one goal: to destroy the debate. By
delivering purely undocumented antagonistic arguments and who
mostly hidden themselves behind the so called "free opinion
rights" label.
I admire those who tried to answer here your
impossible stands. I will not.
One clue: enter "roman noir" in google or the
like. Best: go in a real library and ask help to search works
on the subject, first with a literature encyclopaedia. And
start from there.
E.Borgers
William Ahearn <
williamahearn@yahoo.com> a 飲it :
---I agree with Jack. First off, please use examples of
falling outside those parameters. Second, my definition is
even narrower than Jack's. Series Noir
(or Roman Noir, whatever) and cinema noir exist in a very
tight time frame. As a pre-war sensibility or Depression-era
style and as an immediate post war style. It was all over by
1955 at the latest. Many of you consider David Goodis noir. I
don't. Really like his writing and he's a fun read but he
ain't the thing we mean. Touch of Evil is not noir. It is
junk. When I see some of the examples that pop up on this
list, I'm dismayed. I really enjoy this list, don't get me
wrong. But I see the attempts at a definition of noir in the
way the military sees mission creep. In fact, it had a very
short life-span and was incredibly influential but like the
art movement Dada, it was what it was and there are no
neo-dadists, or post-dadists or whatever-dadists.
The naming convention is the key to the whole mess. It was an
almost off-hand remark by a French critic who never announced
the beginnings of a movement or school or anything with rules
or regulations or secretaries reading the minutes of the
previous meeting. Talk about vague (and yes the pun is
intended). So I really don't care about somebody's big book
of this or that or conversations about how noir is alive
today. It isn't. What is being touted as the new noir is more
a fashion than a style. That's not to say that some of these
books aren't good or not worth reading. But having
definitions of post-1955 noirishness is sometimes funny and
every time has helped me with my own evaluations of the
form.
But the waving of books and quotations is a little too Mao
for me.
William
Essays and Ramblings
<http://www.williamahearn.com>
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