Re: RARA-AVIS: RE : Lolita and noir

From: Richard Moore ( moorich@aol.com)
Date: 25 Feb 2007


Well, how to day this delicately? Earlier, on The Long Goodbye string I asked the question are you serious or is this a sendup? At the time I thought it was a sendup. Even when you wrote that those seeing humor in Lolita were simply laughing to cover their embarassment, I thought you might be trying to be provocative. After all, I can not remember ever being embarrassed by a book. Mom never found the stash of Orrie Hitt novels.

But now this. Okay, I accept that you are more than likely serious. As long as we are discussing acceptance, I can accept the fact that you believe Lolita is a great novel even though you are apparently oblivious to its humor. That's okay by me.

Why is it that you apparently want to find something sick or evil in those who found humor in Nobakov's novel? It's a rather common opinion beginning with the first reviews of the novel. So the emotion (anger?) generated by the disagreement on this list is puzzling if not insulting. I find your latest post to be (at the least) very distasteful.

Richard Moore

--- In rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, Patrick King <abrasax93@...> wrote:
>
> Well, Kerry, if you find yourself giggling to relieve
> the tension as you read Nabakov's poetic reference to
> a 14-year-old girl's vulva, I'd say the humor is more
> in the reader than it is in the writing. Just my
> opinion.
>
> Patrick King
> --- "Kerry J. Schooley" <gsp.schoo@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Humour is highly subjective of course. Personally
> > one of the things I find funniest in fiction or
> > life is the contortions people will twist
> > themselves into when they discover that they are
> > the very embodiment of the problems they take
> > most seriously (which tend to be categorized
> > under the headings of "Evil" or "Immoral.") Some
> > of these things are just plain silly, like pants
> > on piano legs; others more darkly so, like a
> > picture of J. Edgar Hoover in drag. Imagine an
> > entire career, more, an entire Government
> > department dedicated to denying the essence of
> > that photograph. Evil certainly, but hilariously so.
> >
> > Of course I seldom see the humour when I'm caught
> > in similar situations taking myself too
> > seriously, which I suppose is what makes humour
> > so subjective. Knowing it's just me, I hope
> > you'll forgive me Patrick if I say that your
> > argument below is one of the funniest things I've
> > read on RARA AVIS or anywhere else, in some time.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kerry
> >
> > At 04:51 PM 22/02/2007, you wrote:
> >
> > >Well, Bob, clearly you don't get my meaning at all.
> > >Thompson and Highsmith are being droll in those
> > >instances and their descriptions are funny. Kevin
> > >Weeks' description of moving victims in Brutal: the
> > >untold story of my life inside Whitey Bulger's
> > Irish
> > >Mob, was not very funny at all. Humbert's
> > comparison
> > >of Lolita's desire for him to her desire for lunch,
> > a
> > >Humburger to a Hamburger was somewhat funny but it
> > >doesn't mark the book as a "very funny book."
> > >Personally, I think people who want to pigeonhole
> > >Lolita as a "funny book" are embarrassed by the
> > fact
> > >that Nabakov used Lolita to undermine his readers'
> > >sensibilites. It's a great novel written from the
> > >perspective of America's most reprehensible type of
> > >criminal. It puts that criminal in perspective as a
> > >human, not a monster. It even strikes at the very
> > real
> > >urge of age to hunger for youth and beauty.
> > Everyone
> > >does this. Mary K. Letourneau can't restrain
> > herself,
> > >many of the rest of us can. By accepting Lolita as
> > a
> > >great novel, we are also forced to accept our own
> > >potential for evil. As Humbert finds out, the
> > reality
> > >is not as fine as the fantasy. Any good novel
> > employs
> > >humor, pathos, drama, and psychology in even
> > measures
> > >to move the reader. Lolita is at the very least a
> > good
> > >novel, but unlike Forest Gump, Breakfast of
> > Champions,
> > >or Huckleberry Finn, humor is not it's main
> > objective.
> > >That's my point.
> > >
> > >Patrick King
> > >--- bobav1
> > <<mailto:rav7%40COLUMBIA.EDU>rav7@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Patrick:
> > > >
> > > > OK, you win.
> > > >
> > > > Lolita = not funny
> > > >
> > > > Corpse-moving = funny funny
> > > >
> > > > If I understand your concluding sentences,
> > Lolita is
> > > > not funny any
> > > > more than the lives of actual child molesters
> > are
> > > > funny, but
> > > > corpse-moving is funny because the lives of
> > actual
> > > > murdering
> > > > corpse-movers can be funny.
> > > >
> > > > And clearly, the discussion of humor in
> > > >
> >
> >www.nytimes.com/books/97/03/02/lifetimes/nab-v-obit.html
> > > > is simply
> > > > deluded.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for making my day :) (No, really …quot;
> > your
> > > > email is wonderfully
> > > > Nabokovian!)
> > > >
> > > > Loving rara-avis,
> > > >
> > > > Bob V in NYC
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Amen to the superb stewardship of Denton!
> > > >
> > > > P.P.S. Do Lankford and Doherty wish to weigh in
> > on
> > > > how Altman got the
> > > > Mexican dogs to hump on cue?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The reply to Richard Moore:
> > > >
> > > > Okay, but there's a lot more humor in Thompson's
> > > > Recoil, when Pat has
> > > > to get that corpse out of the elevator, or in
> > > > Highsmith's Ripley
> > > > Underground when Ripley is trying to get the
> > corpse
> > > > out of his wine
> > > > cellar in the wheelbarrow and it keeps falling
> > over,
> > > > than there is
> > > > anywhere in Lolita. Lolita is a psychological
> > study
> > > > of one type of
> > > > child molester...and the child he molests, for
> > in
> > > > Lolita, the child is
> > > > NOT innocent. Nabokov makes Humbert a tragic but
> > not
> > > > detestable
> > > > figure. Clair Quilty is much easier to hate than
> > > > Humbert is. One can
> > > > even relate in some ways to Humbert's problem.
> > In
> > > > the wide world there
> > > > is some crazy denial that children don't think
> > about
> > > > sex until they're
> > > > 16 or so. Anyone's who's actually lived life
> > knows
> > > > children experiment
> > > > with sex much much younger than that. That
> > adults
> > > > have a
> > > > responsibility to control their behavior with
> > > > children is the given.
> > > > That some adults cannot and why, is the subject
> > of
> > > > the novel. I'm sure
> > > > there were passages in Lolita that made me
> > smile,
> > > > but I would not
> > > > categorize Lolita as a "very funny" novel. Any
> > more
> > > > than the life of
> > > > Paul Shanley was a very funny life.
> > > >
> > > > Patrick King
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In
> > >
> >
> <mailto:rara-avis-l%40yahoogroups.com> rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com,
> > Patrick King
> > > > <abrasax93@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Frankly, Bob, no, I don't find those passages
> > > > "funny"
> > > > > at all. I find them to be true and beautiful.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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