Hi Robert!
I would think somebody has done a copyright search on Fires
of Youth or received confirmation from his agent or daughter.
One would hope.
My speculation is a product of my failure to understand why
he would write this book, at this time, and for this
publisher. I maybe making too much out the publisher, but
Williams was making the transition to hardcover in the early
1960. He had sold to both Gold Medal and Dell First Edition,
the top paperback original markets. Magnet seems like a big
step down. But it might have been the step he was willing to
take to get the book published as is.
Thanks for the John Gilmore tip. I haven't read him. Where
have I been?
Yep, there is a lot of suprising good sleaze, and I mean that
in a good way.
Take care, George
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Elkin" <
rictusaporia@yahoo.com> To:
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS:
Charles Williams [an offshoot of Spirited discussions,
critical r Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:19:13 -0700 (PDT)
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<tt> By "sleaze" I refer only to the genre (more
accurately<BR>
"pulp erotica"), not the book--and Bedside/Magnet<BR>
published nothing but.<BR> There are gems in any genre,
to be sure--needed to<BR> balance out the rote
exercises (these last being a<BR> staple of the Orrie
Hitt school). <BR>
<BR> On e of the best "sleaze" series I've come across
are<BR> the four books John Gilmore wrote for France
Books in<BR> 1963, DARK OBSESSION, MISS BRUTAL, STRANGE
FIRE, and<BR> LESBOS IN PANAMA--they're much closer to
Noir than to<BR> Sleaze, and DE & MB are truly
excellent examples of<BR> their kind.<BR>
<BR> Didn't know there was any doubt about FIRES being
a CW<BR> book; it certainly reads like him, and Magnet
in 1960<BR> wouldn't've paid too much less than GM.
Interesting if<BR> your speculation were true re its
chronology.<BR>
<BR> Rob<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
--- George Tuttle <
noirfiction@whoever.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> It's more of a coming of age story than sleaze
--<BR>
> not that I have<BR>
> anything against writers like Orrie Hitt
and<BR>
> publishers like Beacon<BR>
> and Midwood.<BR>
> <BR>
> I don't know if anyone has truly authenticated
Fires<BR>
> of Youth as a<BR>
> novel by "the" Charles Williams (1909-1975). It is
a<BR>
> well written book<BR>
> (not great, but well crafted, just the same)
which<BR>
> would lead me to<BR>
> think it is by "the" Charles Williams. On the
other<BR>
> hand, it is not a<BR>
> typical Charles Williams book and it was
published<BR>
> by a minor<BR>
> publisher, not the kind of publisher Williams or
his<BR>
> agent would be<BR>
> likely to place a book with (unless there were
some<BR>
> unusual<BR>
> circumstances).<BR>
> <BR>
> I would theorize it was completely or
partially<BR>
> written before Hill<BR>
> Girl as an early attempt at a serious novel.
<BR>
> <BR>
> --- In
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, Robert
Elkin<BR>
> <rictusaporia@y...><BR>
> wrote:<BR>
> > Re Charles Williams--Anybody read the one (that
I<BR>
> know<BR>
> > of) "sleaze" novel he wrote, FIRES OF YOUTH?
And<BR>
> are<BR>
> > there more in the genre? <BR>
> > Rob<BR>
> > <BR>
> > --- Jeff Vorzimmer <jvorzimmer@a...>
wrote:<BR>
> > <BR>
> > > Charles,<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > There are a lot of great books, some by
Charles<BR>
> > > Williams, that are in
the<BR>
> > > public domain, which you might
consider<BR>
> publishing.<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > Jeff<BR>
> > > <BR>
> > > <BR>
> > <BR>
> > <BR>
> > <BR>
> > <BR>
> ><BR>
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