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There are 22 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Definitions
From:
"Jack Bludis" <
buildsnburns@yahoo.com>
2. Jack:
Definitions
From:
"Maddy Van" <
maddyvh@comcast.net>
3. Out of the Past
From:
"Dick Lochte" <
dlochte@adelphia.net>
4. Introduction
From:
Tim Wohlforth <
tim@timwohlforth.com>
5. Re: Introduction
From:
"Joy Matkowski" <
jmatkowski1@comcast.net>
6. Introduction
From:
"John A. Armstrong" <
johnnyyen@telus.net>
7. Re: Introduction
From:
"Brian Thornton" <
tieresias@worldnet.att.net>
8. Re: Introduction
From:
Doug Bassett <
dj_bassett@yahoo.com>
9. Out of the Past/Build
My Gallows High
From:
"Paul Farrell" <
pm_farrell@hotmail.com>
10. Re: Introduction
From:
"John A. Armstrong" <
johnnyyen@telus.net>
11. Re: Introduction
From:
"Jim Beaver" <
jumblejim@prodigy.net>
12. RE: Introduction
From:
"Maddy Van" <
maddyvh@comcast.net>
13. Re: Introduction
From:
DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net
14. RE: Introduction
From:
"Aldo T. Calcagno" <
acalcagno@simi.k12.ca.us>
15. Re: Out of the Past
From:
DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net
16. Re: Introduction
From:
"Patrick J Lambe" <
patlambe@patlambe.com>
17. Re: Introduction
From:
"Hurricane" <
hurricane7@rogers.com>
18. Re: Out of the Past
From:
JIM DOHERTY <
jimdohertyjr@yahoo.com>
19. Re: Introduction
From:
JIM DOHERTY <
jimdohertyjr@yahoo.com>
20. Musuraca's and Tourneur's
Lighting For "Out of the Past"
From:
chrisaschneider@earthlink.net
21. Re: Introduction
From:
"Jim Beaver" <
jumblejim@prodigy.net>
22. Re: Out of the Past/Build
My Gallows High
From:
"Brian Thornton" <
tieresias@worldnet.att.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:21:28 -0000
From: "Jack Bludis" <
buildsnburns@yahoo.com> Subject: Definitions
--- In
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, "jimdohertyjr"
<jimdohertyjr@y...> wrote:
> Just remember this:
>
> "Hard-boiled" means "tough and
colloquial."
>
> "Noir" means "dark and sinister."
>
> JIM DOHERTY
Here we go again:
"Hard-boiled" is "Tough," but it it does not have to be
colloquial. Chandler is anything but colloquial. I hate the
term because so few reach the level, but his style is
"literary."
"Noir" is "Screwed" unless we are talking about "Film noir."
In that case I agree that "Dark and Sinister" fits.
To be noir, a book does not have to be dark and sinister. It
has to be about a lead character whose fate is sealed from
the opening lines. No matter what the lead does, he or she is
screwed.
Hardboiled=tough
Noir=screwed
Jack Bludis
PS: This post is late because I was out in the never-never
land of no rara-avis during the "digest crash" or whatever
the hell it was.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:34:36 -0500
From: "Maddy Van" <
maddyvh@comcast.net> Subject: Jack: Definitions
People have written Masters theses on these definitions, but
I think Jack has got it knocked in 2 simple words!
Bravo!
Maddy
-----Hardboiled=tough
Noir=screwed
Jack Bludis
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:30:38 -0700
From: "Dick Lochte" <
dlochte@adelphia.net> Subject: Out of the Past
I haven't had a chance to get the "Out of the Past" DVD but
there's something in it I've always wanted to check out.
Years ago, I spent the better part of an afternoon with
Robert Mitchum, mainly talking about his movies -- from the
Hopalong Cassidys to his then current "The Friends of Eddie
Coyle." When he got around to "Past," he was just as
dismissive of it as he was of all his films, "Coyle"
included. I found myself in the position of defending his own
movie, talking about Tourneur's direction and the great
camerawork and lighting. "Well, this whole thing about
so-called noir lighting," he said, "that was because the
budgets were so low we were down to candlepower. And as far
as Jacques' direction, I guess you didn't see the prop guy's
arm stick that phone on Betty Jane Greer's table." Tourneur
didn't notice it? I asked. "Oh, hell yeah he noticed it.
Betty Jane called it to his attention. Jacques just said (in
French accent): 'Doan worry. They weel all be looking at
you.'"
Assuming Mitchum wasn't making the whole thing up (which was
not inconceivable), Tourneur must've been right, because as
often as I've seen the movie, I've never seen the arm. A
frame-by-frame check of Greer's telephone scenes should
provide the answer.
Dick Lochte
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:45:40 -0700
From: Tim Wohlforth <
tim@timwohlforth.com> Subject: Introduction
Since the Rara-Avis list now has a new home, I thought it
might be an appropriate time to introduce myself. I have been
lurking for a few months using the digest format. I know some
of you from the Short Mystery list and from mystery
conventions.
I am a writer of noir/hardboiled short stories and novels.
Therefore, of course, also an avid reader of same. I have
sold 49 short stories, almost all of them on the dark side.
They have been published in hardboiled sites like Plots With
Guns, Thrilling Detective, Hardluck Stories as well as in
several of Michael Bracken's anthologies. I have hardboiled
stories presently up at www.orchardpressmysteries.com and
www.thrillingdetective.com.
My noir novel NO TIME TO MOURN had just been published by
Quiet Storm. Lee Child says, "Like a twelve-bar blues - the
comfort of a familiar form jazzed by a fresh key and an
exciting new voice." Jerry Healy calls it "a dark gem of a
crime novel."
So much for the background and BSPs. I promise not to burden
the list incessantly with such material. But this is an
intro.
I did want to pass on an interesting conversation I had
recently with a top (perhaps THE top) NYC literary agent who
handles mysteries. I had spoken with him several years back
and he had stated that PI hardboiled novels were almost
impossible to sell to publishers. I recently wrote him that
currently writers like Connelly, Child, Lehane, Rankin,
Crais, and Pelacanos were hitting the best seller lists. He
called me on the phbone (they never do that!) to explain that
while some established writers in this sub-genre were selling
well, publishers still were extremely resistant to publishing
new hardboiled writers.
My sense is that he's right. I think it is easier for a new
writer to break in with a cozy that St. Martin's might pick
up and publish in hardcover for libraries where a
predominantly middle-aged female readership hangs out.
What do you all think? If true, it's a problem not only for
writers but for fans of the genre who like to read fresh
material. Of course small publishers like Quiet Storm help
greatly. But their reach into bookstores and even libraries
is minuscule.
Tim Wohlforth
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:01:18 -0400
From: "Joy Matkowski" <
jmatkowski1@comcast.net> Subject: Re:
Introduction
>From the standpoint of being one, I think lots of the
middle-aged female
readership prefers hardboiled crime fiction.
Joy
Tim Wohlforth asked:
> I think it is easier for a new writer to
> break in with a cozy that St. Martin's might pick up
and publish in
> hardcover for libraries where a predominantly
middle-aged female
> readership hangs out.
>
> What do you all think?
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:45:55 -0700
From: "John A. Armstrong" <
johnnyyen@telus.net> Subject: Introduction
Hello - new to the list and mostly checking that I'm getting
and sending mail OK. But to keep this on-topic, I'm reading
some James Lee Burke books I picked up in trade and several
of them feature the Billy Bob Holland character, who's
haunted in a comradely way by his friend L.Q. Navarro. Can
anyone recall any other books/series in the genre that had
supernatural elements? Another Burke book, In The Electric
Mist with Confederate Dead, had the lead character visited by
a Civi War general and his troops, though whether this a
ghost or hallucination is left undetermined, but beyond that
I can't think of any.
Best,
John Armstrong Vancouver, BC
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:30:55 -0700
From: "Brian Thornton" <
tieresias@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re:
Introduction
Hi there John-
Yes, Burke does have a but of the "Faulknerian mystic" about
him. A hell of a writer, for my money. I've read IN THE
ELECTRIC MIST WITH CONFEDERATE DEAD, and thought it was
pretty good, although the (for me) obvious hallucination
about John Bell Hood coming back from the grave to converse
with Dave Robicheaux was a bit distracting. You might try A
STAINED WHITE RADIANCE (another Robicheaux novel). I finished
it not too long ago and loved it. I have a large number of
Burke's stuff in my To-Be-Read Hill (too large for a pile,
over even a hillock).
Most importantly, welcome to the list. We talk about all this
cool stuff here!
Lastly, you live in the most gorgeous city in the Western
hemisphere.
Brian Thornton Seattle, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: John A. Armstrong
To:
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:45 AM
Subject: RARA-AVIS: Introduction
Hello - new to the list and mostly checking that
I'm getting and sending mail OK. But to keep this on-topic,
I'm reading some James Lee Burke books I picked up in trade
and several of them feature the Billy Bob Holland character,
who's haunted in a comradely way by his friend L.Q. Navarro.
Can anyone recall any other books/series in the genre that
had supernatural elements?
Another Burke book, In The Electric Mist with
Confederate Dead, had the lead character visited by a Civi
War general and his troops, though whether this a ghost or
hallucination is left undetermined, but beyond that I can't
think of any.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:44:08 -0700
(PDT)
From: Doug Bassett <
dj_bassett@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Introduction
Hello, Mr. Armstrong. Welcome to the list.
Regarding Burke, BLACK CHERRY BLUES definitely had
supernatural aspects. It's been awhile since I read it, but
I'm pretty sure A MORNING FOR FLAMINGOS also had some. In
fact, I identify the technique with Burke, he uses it so
often.
I'm currently rereading Crumley's THE MEXICAN TREE DUCK,
which is as good as I remember it (and IMO rather
underrated). Before that was his DANCING BEAR, which I liked
but seemed to blur out, here and there. I generally prefer
the C.W. Shugrue books to the Milo Milodragovitch books, I
think: I suspect Crumley overidentifies with Milo, which
tends to lead him toward some self-indulgence. Much of
DANCING BEAR is really an essay about Montana more than an
actual novel.
Not saying it's bad, though. Even secondary Crumley is better
than 90% of everything else out there.
doug
--- "John A. Armstrong" <
johnnyyen@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello - new to the list and mostly checking that
I'm
> getting and sending mail OK. But to keep
this
> on-topic, I'm reading some James Lee Burke books
I
> picked up in trade and several of them feature
the
> Billy Bob Holland character, who's haunted in
a
> comradely way by his friend L.Q. Navarro. Can
anyone
> recall any other books/series in the genre that
had
> supernatural elements?
> Another Burke book, In The Electric Mist
with
> Confederate Dead, had the lead character visited
by
> a Civi War general and his troops, though
whether
> this a ghost or hallucination is left
undetermined,
> but beyond that I can't think of any.
>
> Best,
>
> John Armstrong
> Vancouver, BC
>
===== Doug Bassett
dj_bassett@yahoo.com
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:21:37 +1200
From: "Paul Farrell" <
pm_farrell@hotmail.com> Subject: Out of the Past/Build
My Gallows High
Regarding Geoffrey Homes' "Build My Gallows High", Miker
wrote:
>If I recall correctly, the title of the
>book never appears in the novel text, but he
did
>manage to work it into the screen text.
The phrase "build my gallows high" is near the end of the
book, on page 147 of the Prion edition. Red is speaking with
Ann, and says "The one I'm blaming helped build my gallows
high".
Great phrase, and I like the ending in the book even better
than the one in the movie.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:28:09 -0700
From: "John A. Armstrong" <
johnnyyen@telus.net> Subject: Re: Introduction
Thanks for the welcome -
JAA
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Thornton
To:
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Introduction
Hi there John-
Yes, Burke does have a but of the "Faulknerian
mystic" about him. A hell of a writer, for my money. I've
read IN THE ELECTRIC MIST WITH CONFEDERATE DEAD, and thought
it was pretty good, although the (for me) obvious
hallucination about John Bell Hood coming back from the grave
to converse with Dave Robicheaux was a bit distracting. You
might try A STAINED WHITE RADIANCE (another Robicheaux
novel). I finished it not too long ago and loved it. I have a
large number of Burke's stuff in my To-Be-Read Hill (too
large for a pile, over even a hillock).
Most importantly, welcome to the list. We talk
about all this cool stuff here!
Lastly, you live in the most gorgeous city in the
Western hemisphere.
Brian Thornton
Seattle, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: John A. Armstrong
To:
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:45
AM
Subject: RARA-AVIS:
Introduction
Hello - new to the list and mostly
checking that I'm getting and sending mail OK. But to keep
this on-topic, I'm reading some James Lee Burke books I
picked up in trade and several of them feature the Billy Bob
Holland character, who's haunted in a comradely way by his
friend L.Q. Navarro. Can anyone recall any other books/series
in the genre that had supernatural elements?
Another Burke book, In The Electric
Mist with Confederate Dead, had the lead character visited by
a Civi War general and his troops, though whether this a
ghost or hallucination is left undetermined, but beyond that
I can't think of any.
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:47:19 -0700
From: "Jim Beaver" <
jumblejim@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Introduction
John wrote;
Can anyone recall any other books/series in the genre
that had supernatural elements?
> Another Burke book, In The Electric Mist with
Confederate Dead, had the
lead character visited by a Civi War general and his troops,
though whether this a ghost or hallucination is left
undetermined, but beyond that I can't think of any.
If you mean non-Burke books, Richard Abshire and William
Clair had two novels featuring their P.I. character Gants,
both of which had supernatural elements: "Gants" and "The
Shaman Tree." I like all of Abshire's stuff, but of these two
I particularly enjoyed "Gants."
Jim Beaver
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:44:56 -0500
From: "Maddy Van" <
maddyvh@comcast.net> Subject: RE: Introduction
Whew, that's a stereotype that needs updating! This
middle-aged female reader only reads hardboiled and noir. And
many of the members of a Yahoo group that I moderate are
right there with me. We're not sitting around crocheting and
gossiping over tea. We're kicking butt in the workplace and
networking over martinis.
Maddy
-----My sense is that he's right. I think it is easier for a
new writer to break in with a cozy that St. Martin's might
pick up and publish in hardcover for libraries where a
predominantly middle-aged female readership hangs out.
Tim Wohlforth
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:41:31 -0400
From:
DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net Subject: Re: Introduction
John wrote:
"Can anyone recall any other books/series in the genre that
had supernatural elements?"
George Chesbro's Mongo series had supernatural elements,
which was one of the reasons I eventually tired of them (and
Burke, for that matter). We've discussed Fallen (or was it
Falling?) Angel/Angel Heart on occasion.
Then there are plenty of hardboiled/noir books that debunk
seemingly supernatural events -- Rim of the Pit, John
Franklin Bardin's books, etc.
Mark
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:36:38 -0700
From: "Aldo T. Calcagno" <
acalcagno@simi.k12.ca.us> Subject: RE:
Introduction
You go Maddy....I'll be on the sidelines taking notes for my
novel!
Aldo
We're kicking butt in the workplace and networking over
martinis.
Maddy
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:46:25 -0400
From:
DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net Subject: Re: Out of the Past
Dick quoted Robert Mitchum:
"Well, this whole thing about so-called noir lighting," he
said, "that was because the budgets were so low we were down
to candlepower. . . ."
At University of Maryland, I had a film history professor,
Douglas Gomery, who came from an economics background. He
found the documentation (memos, budgets, etc) to back up that
the the lighting style was due to cost-cutting on the sets
Funny how limitations can become defining elements.
Mark
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:06:02 -0000
From: "Patrick J Lambe" <
patlambe@patlambe.com> Subject: Re: Introduction
--- In
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, "John A. Armstrong"
<johnnyyen@t...> wrote:
>
>
>
Can anyone recall any other books/series in the genre
that had supernatural elements?
> Another Burke book, In The Electric Mist with
Confederate Dead,
had the lead character visited by a Civi War general and his
troops, though whether this a ghost or hallucination is left
undetermined, but beyond that I can't think of any.
>
> Best,
>
> John Armstrong
> Vancouver, BC
>
I haven't read it in a while, but I recall the Dain Curse by
Hammett had some supernatural elements to it. Walter Mosley's
prequel to his Easy Rawlins books, Gone Fishin' featured a
witch character who seemed to have supernatural powers (at
least over a young Easy Rawlins).
As for James Lee Burke, I think he's an immensly
talented writer but his books, at least he Robicheux novels
that I have read (except the first one)are somewhat repetive.
His lanscape description is moving, but there is often too
much of it for my attention span. My favorite is Dixe City
Jam, something about lost Nazi subs always stirs my
imagination. (There's one off of New Jersey that has been the
subject of recent media stories and a new book)
>
Pat Lambe http//:patlambe.com
patlambe@patlambe.com
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:30:00 -0400
From: "Hurricane" <
hurricane7@rogers.com> Subject: Re: Introduction
Well I guess this is a good time for me to jump in and say
Maddy is certainly pretty well spot on. I would much prefer
to not read a cosy unless I happen to be on the beach. I also
have been reading this list for a while (well over a year)
and while I never post I do follow the discussions and my
reading pool has increased due to this list.
Patricia See you in Toronto for: www.bouchercon2004.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Maddy Van" <
maddyvh@comcast.net> To: <
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August
21, 2004 5:44 PM Subject: RE: RARA-AVIS: Introduction
> Whew, that's a stereotype that needs updating! This
middle-aged female
> reader only reads hardboiled and noir. And many of
the members of a
> Yahoo group that I moderate are right there with me.
We're not sitting
> around crocheting and gossiping over tea. We're
kicking butt in the
> workplace and networking over martinis.
>
> Maddy
>
>
> -----My sense is that he's right. I think it is
easier for a new writer
> to
> break in with a cozy that St. Martin's might pick up
and publish in
> hardcover for libraries where a predominantly
middle-aged female
> readership hangs out.
>
> Tim Wohlforth
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]
>
>
>
>
> RARA-AVIS home page: http://www.miskatonic.org/rara-avis/
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:59:15 -0700
(PDT)
From: JIM DOHERTY <
jimdohertyjr@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Out of the
Past
Mark,
Re your comment below:
> At University of Maryland, I had a film
history
> professor, Douglas
> Gomery, who came from an economics background.
He
> found the
> documentation (memos, budgets, etc) to back up
that
> the the lighting
> style was due to cost-cutting on the sets Funny
how
> limitations can
> become defining elements.
Edward Dmytrik, who directed MURDER, MY SWEET, CROSSFIRE, and
CORNERED, three of the definitive film noirs, said the same
thing in a TV interview. It was just a way of making films
economically.
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:01:59 -0700
(PDT)
From: JIM DOHERTY <
jimdohertyjr@yahoo.com> Subject: Re:
Introduction
Jim B,
Re your comment below:
> If you mean non-Burke books, Richard Abshire
and
> William Clair had two
> novels featuring their P.I. character Gants, both
of
> which had supernatural
> elements: "Gants" and "The Shaman Tree." I like
all
> of Abshire's stuff, but
> of these two I particularly enjoyed
"Gants."
Wasn't he still a cop in that one? Suspended, or on medical
leave, or something like that, but a cop. My recollection is
that Gants doesn't become a PI until the sequel.
JIM DOHERTY
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:45:30 -0800
(GMT-08:00)
From:
chrisaschneider@earthlink.net Subject: Musuraca's and
Tourneur's Lighting For "Out of the Past"
Mark wrote:
> He found documentation (memos,
> budgets, etc) to back up that the
> lighting style [of "Out of the Past"]
> was due to cost-cutting on the sets.
Doherty wrote:
> it was just a way of making films
> economically
It was in one of his essays, I believe, that W.H. Auden gave,
as an example of genius, composer Giacomo Rossini spilling
ink on a portion of his score's manuscript, his noticing that
the ink landed on a good place for a note, and then his
keeping the note in that spot for the final score.
Whether or not the lighting of "Out of the Past" was a result
of economics -- although I, myself, would prefer to speak of
the quite conscious influence of the Val Lewton unit at
R.K.O. and their approach toward atmospherics -- my claim
would be that the important factors are (2) what was done in
the final movie, and (2) the import of those choices in the
film that we view today.
Both director Tourneur and cinematographer Nicholas Musurara
had worked together under Lewton, of course -- "The Cat
People" (1942).
Here, by the way, is a good article on Tourneur:
http://www.filmlinc.com/fcm/7-8-2002/tourneur2.htm
Chris
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:33:05 -0700
From: "Jim Beaver" <
jumblejim@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Introduction
>
> Wasn't he still a cop in that one? Suspended, or
on
> medical leave, or something like that, but a cop.
My
> recollection is that Gants doesn't become a PI
until
> the sequel.
>
> JIM DOHERTY
I think you're right. I think the experience in the first
book led to his leaving the force, one way or the
other.
Jim Beaver
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:55:07 -0700
From: "Brian Thornton" <
tieresias@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Out of the
Past/Build My Gallows High
> The phrase "build my gallows high" is near the end
of the book, on page
147
> of the Prion edition. Red is speaking with Ann, and
says "The one I'm
> blaming helped build my gallows high".
>
> Great phrase, and I like the ending in the book even
better than the one
in
> the movie.
I ordered it as soon as it was released, via Netflix. I
watched it again
(had seen it on TCM years ago) and was again impressed with
how good it was. Makes me want to order Mitchum in "Farewell,
My Lovely" again. If he'd played Marlowe twenty years
earlier, he'd have been *perfect.*
All the Best-
Brian Thornton - Also Going To Bouchercon In Toronto 2004.
See You All There!
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