I suppose next you'll tell us Polanski's is not "noir" because he's short and "mild."
Patrick King
--- On Wed, 10/7/09, Steve Novak <Cinefrog@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Steve Novak <Cinefrog@comcast.net>
Subject: RARA-AVIS: Re: JC & LDC
To: "RARA-AVIS" <rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 9:05 PM
...!!!...
To call Jim Carroll¹s life ³noir or harboiled² because he did a buncha
drugs, hanged around with rockers and wrote a few notable things about
it¹all...is a gross, large, misdirected, painful,
childish.... overstatement. ..
Even Patti Smith, with whom he hanged around, and a personal humongous
personal favorite (Œrmember, I live near Detroit since 74...before
punks¹n¹all), would not be a ³noir character²... she may have dabbled in noir
iconology (like Carroll) in her poems (wonderful ones...better than her
songs), songs, life...but she was never and never will be a ³noir
character²... Just like Jim C.
They are both wonderful beings, who have contributed much and whose writings
are worth any personal library, but ³noir characters² themselves, they are
not.
Hanging around at the bar and/or the drug-pen for years does not Œmake you¹
noir/hardboiled. ..writing about it, in fact, would take you instantly out of
the category, since you are Œone step beyond¹...to make a musical bad
pun...but what you write, the characters you develop/write/ depict, might
be...no problem with that...
Keitel in Bad Lieutenant is ³noir²...Keitel in real life is not...and never
was...actually very mld...
Jack N in Chinatown (gotta make a Polanski ref. since nobody has, on
Chiken-Rara. ..???!!!! !), is ³noir n¹ nasty², yet in real life nothing more
(very conventionnally enough) than a 60¹s druggy/hippie/ playboy
bunny-macho/ dreamer/hoop fan...who was never Œcapable of anything¹ like Noah
Cross advocates for the human race in the film itself..
With this in mind...who would ever again in Rara consider mush-faced LDC for
a noir character... and why...???
I tell you what: if some director casts him, and makes him that, gives him
that patina, then we will all applaud...but until some Œmean fck¹ director
got into it and got the performance out of it...we just better all shut
up...because a boy is a boy...it is what it is...
Montois adamant and bored with the subject headline...
PS: for now on I urge every Rara member to instantly delete anything with
the heading: ³Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Leonardo DiCaprio IS not yet Travis
McGee²...it will make our autumn days better...and the leaves fall more
gracefully.. .
On 10/7/09 8:13 PM, "sonny" <sforstater@yahoo. com> wrote:
> what role was that? or do you mean him in real life and you don't think he can
> act?
>
> did you see 'basketball diaries'? speaking of which, the author of that, poet
> jim carroll, died recently. his life was hardboiled. or noir. or something.
>
> --- On Wed, 10/7/09, Chuck <chuckelp@ix. netcom.com
> <mailto:chuckelp% 40ix.netcom. com> > wrote:
>
> From: Chuck <chuckelp@ix. netcom.com <mailto:chuckelp% 40ix.netcom. com> >
> Subject: RARA-AVIS: Re: Leonardo DiCaprio IS Travis McGee
> To: rara-avis-l@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:rara- avis-l%40yahoogr oups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:25 PM
>
> No way.
> I don't "get" 'nardo as anything but a spoiled rich kid.
>
> --- In rara-avis-l@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:rara- avis-l%40yahoogr oups.com> ,
> Stephen Burridge <stephen.burridge@ ...> wrote:
>> >
>> > DiCaprio has been playing men of action in thrillers lately. I thought he
>> > was good in "Body of Lies". A photo of him in character as the suburban
>> > husband in "Revolutionary Road" may not be the best way of evaluating the
>> > suitability of his appearance for the McGee role. I agree with the comment
>> > that memories of "Titanic" and "Gangs of New York" may be affecting
>> people's
>> > sense of what he can do.
>> >
>> > Mind you I only read a few McGee novels, many years ago, and I don't retain
>> > much of a sense of the character.
>> >
>> > Stephen
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>
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