Actually I see that "The Thirty-Nine Steps" appeared in 1915, not before WW1
as I mistakenly said.
Stephen
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Stephen Burridge <stephen.burridge@gmail.com
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> I guess it's a matter of definition, as usual. I think of the "hardboiled"
> tradition as beginning more or less with Hammett or his immediate Black Mask
> predecessors and contemporaries, and involving fairly cynical, usually
> American tough guy protagonists. Hannay's the hero of a series of adventure
> stories, the first of which appeared before WW1. He's a tough, rather
> unreflective man of action; also a rich, conservative, patriotic Brit with a
> chivalrous attitude to women. I don't think he has much to do with the
> hardboiled tradition as I understand it. I certainly agree that Buchan was
> a major influence on British spy fiction, but I think that's something
> else.
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> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Patrick King <abrasax93@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> I'm absolutely certain that Hannay was a huge influence on Ian Fleming's
>> James Bond, because Fleming said so. Published in 1915,The 39 Steps was
>> extremely popular on both sides of the Atlantic during WWI. Neither Chandler
>> nor Hammett could have avoided it. The Hitchock movie which came out 20
>> years later adding romance to the idea, was also very popular, but mitigated
>> Hannay's resourcefulness learned in the African bush. Hannay in the movie
>> was from Canada! The story sure as hell influenced Hollywood because every
>> second movie was, and continues to be, about an innocent man who must flee
>> and solve the crime he is accused of. Hannay may not be noir, as he is
>> always successful against the longest odds, but when it comes to hardboiled,
>> Richard Hannay is the source of the Nile!
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>> Patrick King
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>> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Stephen Burridge <stephen.burridge@gmail.com<stephen.burridge%40gmail.com>>
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>> From: Stephen Burridge <stephen.burridge@gmail.com<stephen.burridge%40gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: greatest noir or detective protags
>> To: rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com <rara-avis-l%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 2:47 PM
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>> I like Buchan, but I don't think he wrote hardboiled or noir fiction, and
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