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rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, Steve Novak
<Cinefrog@...> wrote:
> Anyone knows about crime novels with rugby in
them???...I know of
one being
> written at this time by a French author and
friend...but aside from
that???
Interesting question that had me wracking my brains to no
avail. In the UK at least, I suspect that rugby is way to
middle class to allow much dabbling in the murky waters of
crime. There are probably a few PD James or Colin
Dexter-style investigations that touch on rugby or its
players, but that is because the mystery is traditionally
more middle class (like rugby). Your more hard-boiled and
noir stories usually take in place in less conservative
locales, and concern the kind of people who... well, don't
care about rugby. Actually I'm just talking about England
here, not the UK. Rugby has a different demographic in Wales,
and rugby league (as in This Sporting Life, as I recall) is
staunchly working class.
Thinking about it, I can't think of many sports-themed noir
or hardboiled stories at all (boxing and betting aside). Hey,
maybe it's because teamwork and camaraderie keeps you on the
straight and narrow?
Charlie
---------- charliewilliams.net
>
>
> On 2/18/08 5:25 PM, "hardcasecrime"
<editor@...> wrote:
> Mark wrote:
> >
> >> > Man, have I been struck by the
sheer
> >> > nastiness of the responses to
my
> >> > innocently offered idea.
That'll
> >> > learn me...
> >
> > Not intending to pick a fight here, Mark, but
you didn't
> > just "innocently offer" your idea -- you
offered it and offered it
> > and offered it again, insistently and
naggingly, until this
annoying
> > meta-discussion about how best to hold our
discussions represented
> > the majority of the messages coming across my
screen today. In
the
> > face of zero support from any quarter and more
than a few people
> > saying, "Sorry, nope, not interested" you kept
insistently and
> > repetitively explaining why you were right and
all the people you
> > were failing to persuade were wrong.
> >
> > I don't think anyone would have responded
particularly negatively
(in
> > terms of tone -- they would still not have
liked your idea) if you
> > had just said ONCE, "Listen, I know this might
be a lot of work,
but
> > I, at least, would like it better if we made
the following change
and
> > here is a list of the reasons the rest of you
might like it
better,
> > too. If no one's interested, fine; if you are
interested, let me
> > know and I'll see what I can do to help make
this happen."
> >
> > But that's not what you did.
> >
> > For the record, no one could accuse me of being
a Luddite and I do
> > appreciate the reasons some other platforms
might be better, but
you
> > know what? There's something to be said for
inertia, something
to be
> > said for the status quo, and even if I hadn't
read the many
messages
> > from people who don't want any change and the
zero messages from
> > people agreeing with you, I'd have come down on
the side of
> > encouraging the moderators to leave things the
way they are.
> >
> > Now, speaking only on my own behalf (but I
suspect I'm not the
only
> > one who feels this way), can we please let this
topic die?
> >
> > On the other hand: If you have anything to say
about the actual
topic
> > of this list -- crime fiction -- I very much
hope you will go
ahead
> > and post it.
> >
> > --Charles
> >
>
>
>
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