William wrote:
> All I'm trying to do is to find the
> definition that includes say "Dark Passasge" (or "In
A
> Lonely Place"), "The Big Sleep" (or another
private
> eye film) and say "The Asphalt Jungle." All
are
> considered noir by some but not by me
How is The Asphalt Jungle NOT noir? Each of the characters is
inexorably ground down by that fickle, and gleeful, finger of
fate. As Louis B Meyer said, it's "full of nasty ugly people
doing nasty ugly things". Similarly In A Lonely Place. Which,
without giving any spoilers, doesn't end happily :o) Barry
Gifford said of it "Nobody comes out of this one unscathed,
nobody looks good in the end, thereby making it a perfect
noir"
Jack wrote:
>As to a Mueller film going to Sundance? I never heard
about
>that.
Here's a piece about the film Jack: http://www.eddiemuller.com/inquisitor.html
It's based on his story in the upcoming HELL OF A WOMAN
anthology. It's a GREAT story.
As for the film he showed at LCC - I can't remember what ALL
the clips were but I remember there being OUT OF THE PAST and
BORN TO KILL (which are two of my favourite film noirs). And,
as TL said, Eddie Muller is THE noir expert, hence the name
The Czar of Noir :o)
Mark wrote:
> Ken Bruen's Jack Taylor series certainly has noir
elements, but I think
> I agree with the others that it is exactly the
series elements that keep
> it from really attaining that label.
Me too. I just don't think you can have a series that's noir.
Of course, if he kills Jack off at the end then it could be a
noir series in total but each individual book isn't noir :o)
Dark, yes. Bleak, sometimes. But not noir.
Donna
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