LOL Good point!
--- In
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, "Allan Guthrie"
<allan@...> wrote:
>
> I think the Greeks might take issue with you on
that. OEDIPUS REX?
>
> Al
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: uplandharmabooks
> To:
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:06 AM
> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Noir with no
crime?
>
>
> Patrick wrote:
> Surely,
> Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment" is the
template
> for all the noir novels that came after
it.
>
> I joke with my husband that Hamlet, Romeo and
Juliet, or Richard III
> was the first noir. LOL
>
> Amy
>
> --- In
rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, Patrick King
<abrasax93@> wrote:
> >
> > "On the Road" by Jack Kerouac, "Tropic of
Capricorn"
> > by Henry Miller, "The Grapes of Wrath" by
John
> > Steinbeck although there are murders and other
crimes
> > in that one, it's not really 'about' the
crimes. To be
> > truly 'noir' though, I think the character has
to be
> > driven to positively desperate acts in order
to
> > achieve a dream the reader can see clearly he
can
> > never achieve due to his character flaws.
Surely,
> > Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment" is the
template
> > for all the noir novels that came after
it.
> >
> > Patrick King
> > --- Michael Robison <miker_zspider@>
wrote:
> >
> > > This was touched on earlier. Noir almost
always
> > > involves crime. Can you name any novels
that you
> > > consider to be noir that do not involve
crime?
> > >
> > > Thank you, miker
> > >
> > >
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