-----Original Message----- From: Tribe <
tribexx@gmail.com>
> Well, certainly Blade Runner was enormously
influential on
> first-generation
> cyberpunk and was in turn influenced by hardboiled
novels, but the
> influence
> of hardboiled detective fiction goes beyond the
film. Where do you think
> the
> persona of the first-generation (which is quite
different from
> second-generation
> cyberpunk, to which my generalizations no longer
apply) protagonist comes
> from?
> The non-cyberspace milieu of first-generation
cyberpunk is almost always
> urban,
> and the protagonist is often a hardbitten, cynical
loner with a romantic
> streak
> and a firm code of ethics. Hell, even the early
cyberpunk
> novelist--Gibson's
> earliest, and his immediate imitators--were aping
Chandler's style.
> I'm sure you'd agree that urban settings and
cynical, loner protagonists, in
and of themselves, don't necessarily equate to hard boiled.
Aside from that, there has to be that thing we call "style"
to make it hardboiled. If Gibson and the others were trying
to write in that style, then I totally missed it
'cause I don't see it. Admittedly, it's been some time since
I read those.
And what style, exactly, would that be? Hammett or Chandler?
Brett Halliday or Erle Stanley Gardner? Daly or Gruber?
Besides, I didn't say that these writers were doing good
Chandler imitations. They hit some of the notes but missed
the music.
Finally, I wouldn't call cyberpunk hardboiled. I do say it
was (or, again, first generation cyberpunk) heavily
*influenced* by the hardboiled writers and characters.
jess
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