Kerry,
Re your comments below:
> The debate is interesting for its own sake. All
this
> stuff is
> categorization after or during the fact, simply
to
> help readers who like
> the stuff know when something similar comes
along.
> In that way it's useful
> to both commercial interests and to us, so we
can
> agree on what we're
> talking about. Not that we ever will. Jim finds
my
> definition too narrow,
> and I can live with that. I suspect he's been
wrong
> before.
I've been wrong before, but not about this.
> I think his
> definition is too broad to be of much use.
Jim
> suspects I've been wrong
> before.
You're already wrong. It's not MY definition. It's THE
definition. It's the one that was used by the people who
coined the term long before I was ever born and long before
I'd ever heard the term. They may not have expressed it
explicitly, but their choice of the material that fit their
parameters makes the implicit definition clear.
It may not be of much use, or at least not of much use to
you, but that's not my problem. My problem is that defining
it narrowly is simply incorrect. Incorrect historically, and
incorrect as it's commonly used now.
If you want a term that's useful to describe the kind of
story you like, come up with a new one. Noir's already being
used for something else much broader than what you're
describing. And it always has been.
JIM DOHERTY
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