Re: RARA-AVIS: Chandler's "Noir Feel" for LA (was Denise Hamilton)

From: Jim Beaver ( jumblejim@prodigy.net)
Date: 14 May 2004

Jim,

Thanks for straightening this out. When I read this sentence: "'noir' means a dark, sinister atmosphere," I guess I forgot about the "implicit" part. It just seemed like a much less complex definition than I remembered you describing in many other posts. That's why I asked, to see if, subsequent to all those other posts on the subject, you had whittled down the definition of noir even further. Thanks for clearing up what you meant
(and the meaning of "implicit" as well!)

Implicitly yours,

Jim Beaver

> Jim,
>
> Re your response to my comment below:
>
> > > "Noir" impplicitly means a story that falls into
> > the
> > > crime fiction genre. Wellman certainly wrote
> > > mysteries. Is this story a mystery or a
> > supernatural
> > > horror story, or a cross-genre piece?
> >
> > Oh, I missed the crime fiction part of your
> > definition, at least as in the
> > post I was quoting from.
>
> "Implicit" means clear without having to be explicitly
> stated. Since Rara-Avis is a list devoted to the
> discussion of crime fiction, specifically crime
> fiction falling into the hard-boiled/noir variety, it
> doesn't seem necessary to me to spell that out. When
> I see the question "What is noir?" or "What is
> nard-boiled?" I infer the phrase "in crime fiction"
> since crime fiction is the subject of the list.
> Similarly when I say "Noir is thus-and such" or
> "Hard-boiled is thus and such" I assume that that it's
> clear I'm referring to crime fiction.
>
> JIM DOHERTY
>
>
>
>
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