Bill Denton wrote:
... History is full of bleak and tragic twisted stories, as
well as tough people trying to do what's right in a world of
evil, but that doesn't mean they're noir or hardboiled
stories (or even proto-). The writing style key, and it
didn't come along until the twentieth century.
********* Well, that's interesting. I don't see writing style
as an integral part of either Jim's or Jack's noir
definition. I am willing to consider that style might be a
part of the noir definition if somebody would define the
style. I don't see much in common in Cornell Woolrich's and
James Cain's style. Cain is noir written in a hardboiled
style. I know he hated being called hardboiled, but the shoe
fits. Wool- rich's I MARRIED A DEAD MAN is florid, gushy, and
excessive, something I would associate more with 18th or
early 19th century Gothic. If both these writers are noir,
then the gates appear wide open for style.
miker
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