>
> In a message dated 7/12/02 6:09:22 AM,
kmontin@total.net writes:
>
> << Clockwork Orange ruined Singin' in the Rain
for me with its very
effective
> use of that number. >>
>
> I was waiting for a discussion of this book to
surface during our U.K.
month,
> or even as part of the bickering over colloquialism.
its ultimate
theme:
> robbing a man of free will is a greater evil than
allowing it, even if
his
> ultimate nature is evil, is noir to the nth. it's no
wonder Stanley
Kubrick
> would be attracted to this material
>
> John Lau
> --
I loved the book & the movie but I'm not sure I see them
as noir - although I think they are a big influence on
"cyberpunk" & whatever label has taken its place &
the influence of noir on cyberpunk etc is undeniable, IMO. In
the same way I see Philip K Dick's stuff as not really noir
but he is a huge influence on SF writers who also have been
influenced by noir & hardboiled fiction. But why quibble?
Great books is great books & A CLOCKWORK ORANGE certainly
shares similarities with books that we have designated
as
"noir", a term that's vague enough for us to interpret very
widely. I'm curious about how other rare birds view the book
(or movie). Do others consider A CLOCKWORK ORANGE to be noir?
And if so, what about J G Ballard's HIGH RISE or CRASH or
COCAINE NIGHTS?
Rene
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