> manuel ramos said:
>
> > IMO, Vea is a great writer, but I can't see
that his books are noir.
The
> > endings are too upbeat, although the characters
go through hell to get
> there.
> > Michael, I know you want a "definitive" list of
hard-boiled and noir
> > writers, and a clear definition. If you look at
the archives you will
see
> > that these are regular topics here. There have
been some very good
> attempts
> > at defining the genre. I'm still
learning.
> >
>
i'm in the same boat, manuel. i'm just now getting a feel for
the
"hardboiled" and "noir". i don't really know how to search
the archives. i imagine i go to the web site and type in a
word or phrase, same as if i was looking for a book at
amazon. like you noted, i'm sure the discussion of "what is
hard- boiled?" is not a new one. near as i can tell, upbeat
endings are definitely not hardboiled. haha. thedetective
might get his man (or woman) but too much mud, blood, and
beer went into the gutter to be real happy about it.
miker
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