This is an interesting comment, but one that may be OT. Based
on some
comparisions to Faulkner (a name that shows up a lot in this
group),
I've ordered All The Pretty Horses and Blood Meridian by
Cormac
McCarthy. The latter is particular interest to me in that
several
members of the horror genre place it on their Top Ten
lists.
So to comment on your question -- did hardboiled originate in
westerns
(Shane, for example); or did noir?
... Reed
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