AHA! So that's what I've written! Noir. I like and agree with the dichotomy (inside/outside) you've proposed for noir/hardboiled. The only tricky part is when the author writes about "mental states/psychology, a sense of fear, alienation, anxiety, paranoia" in a style that is "relatively free of affect, clipped, terse, tough." That's what I tried to do, and I think "noir" describes it best. Cordially, Jerry Silverman a newbie to this list and enjoying it greatly michael david sharp wrote: > > I was just thinking that Woolrich's fiction most accurately represents > what I consider "noir" in writing, and it is true, his writing is not > hardboiled (and not simply bec. he doesn't write about detectives). I > don't think hardboiled and noir are interchangeable, but I think they > overlap. I would use noir to describe writing that concerns itself with > mental states/psychology, a sense of fear, alienation, anxiety, paranoia. > Harboiled refers (in my mind) to tone and attitude, to an idiomatic > writing that is relatively free of affect, clipped, terse, tough. To be > terribly oversimplified, noir deals w/ the interior, hardboiled the > exterior (which is not to say that hardboiled is "superficial" in the > pejorative sense). Lastly, I want to note that in Pronzini and Adrian's > *Hard-Boiled*, the editors frequently use "noir" to describe the HB world. - # RARA-AVIS: To unsubscribe, say "unsubscribe rara-avis" # to majordomo@icomm.ca